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I think it's partially caused by genes in a lot of people. We know genes can cause other types of fetishes like homosexuality (heritability ~ .45).

It seems on here a lot of people report early "fascination" with spanking and not necessarily having been spanked very young. While I haven't found data on this it seems from the testimonials here that early exposure or trauma does not cause most spanking fetishes. Furthermore other traumatizing things are generally not fetishized such as bugs, disease, the dark, etc.

The interesting question however, if I am right, is why are there genes in the gene pool that predispose or cause a spanking fetish?

Anyone want to debate on this?

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I don't know but I don't want to find out lol.  I do not want to know what my parents or other family members are into.

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Being gay is not a fetish.

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1 hour ago, Colonel Cokernel said:

I don't know but I don't want to find out lol.  I do not want to know what my parents or other family members are into.

Look up "meiosis" and "polygenetic traits"

53 minutes ago, ukspanko said:

Being gay is not a fetish.

I define a fetish as anything but reproductive eroticism

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28 minutes ago, 19mUSA said:

I define a fetish as anything but reproductive eroticism

 

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That's kind of offensive, not to mention way off the definition of fetish

 

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55 minutes ago, cleveken said:

That's kind of offensive, not to mention way off the definition of fetish

 

Agreed. He couldn't be further away from what a fetish is.

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1 hour ago, cleveken said:

That's kind of offensive, not to mention way off the definition of fetish

 

Sorry

36 minutes ago, SpankerGeek said:

Agreed. He couldn't be further away from what a fetish is.

I'm using it to be synonymous with the word paraphilia as it is used in every day life

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Homosexuality is not a fetish, nor a paraphilia. It is a sexual orientation, and no less normal than heterosexuality.

A fetish is defined as: "an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression".

A paraphilia is defined as: "a pattern of recurring sexually arousing mental imagery or behavior that involves unusual and especially socially unacceptable sexual practices).

Both fetishism and paraphilia are listed in the DSM (I think what is considered a disorder within those categories should depend on the specific fetish or paraphilia. Not all within those categories deserve to be listed as a negative or harmful disorder, but that is an issue for another day). Homosexuality, on the other hand, is no longer listed in the DSM, meaning it is not psychologically linked to being in the category of fetish, paraphilia, or any abnormal form of sexuality. One can be a totally vanilla homosexual being, with no fetishes or paraphilias. It is an orientation, no less valid or normal than heterosexuality. 

To the other issue at hand, it would be difficult to know to what degree a fetish is genetic, particularly because our sexual behaviors are not often shared with parents, grandparents, grown children, etc. Our parents or grandparents could have this fetish, they may not. But we generally don't discuss it. As far as I've seen through various articles, while certain cognitive wiring that can lead to fetishism can be hereditary, there are no "fetish genes" per se. Basically, the cognitive wiring that might predispose somebody to have an inherent fetish can be passed down, but specific fetishes are not a gene that can be passed down.

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3 hours ago, Amethyst_Moon said:

Homosexuality is not a fetish, nor a paraphilia. It is a sexual orientation, and no less normal than heterosexuality.

A fetish is defined as: "an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression".

A paraphilia is defined as: "a pattern of recurring sexually arousing mental imagery or behavior that involves unusual and especially socially unacceptable sexual practices).

Both fetishism and paraphilia are listed in the DSM (I think what is considered a disorder within those categories should depend on the specific fetish or paraphilia. Not all within those categories deserve to be listed as a negative or harmful disorder, but that is an issue for another day). Homosexuality, on the other hand, is no longer listed in the DSM, meaning it is not psychologically linked to being in the category of fetish, paraphilia, or any abnormal form of sexuality. One can be a totally vanilla homosexual being, with no fetishes or paraphilias. It is an orientation, no less valid or normal than heterosexuality. 

To the other issue at hand, it would be difficult to know to what degree a fetish is genetic, particularly because our sexual behaviors are not often shared with parents, grandparents, grown children, etc. Our parents or grandparents could have this fetish, they may not. But we generally don't discuss it. As far as I've seen through various articles, while certain cognitive wiring that can lead to fetishism can be hereditary, there are no "fetish genes" per se. Basically, the cognitive wiring that might predispose somebody to have an inherent fetish can be passed down, but specific fetishes are not a gene that can be passed down.

I'm not really interested in a semantics "debate" or hearing about how the DSM defines reality and all its categories are the most adaptive to use etc. 

My definitions are clear and not confusing enough that I think everyone gets what I mean when I say "fetish" as opposed to any other word. Saying "acksually fetish referrs to objects and paraphilia to behaviors but nonadaptive gender attractions are in a special category because the news said so and you must want to offend gay people even though you're literally a male sub on a fetish forum if you don't except this wacky and arbitrary concept scheme" just doesn't accomplish anything. 

Ok on the other thing you wrote it looks like you have two points: 1. heritability is hard to measure because you dont talk about this stuff with family and 2. predisposition can be genetically caused but not the fetish itself (correct me if I misunderstand what you said, I'm trying to resolve the apparent contradiction of "there are no fetish genes but genes can cause fetishes") 

As to point 1, I would like to point out that a heritability study would use twins and survey each independently so this isn't a problem empirically. As for anecdotes, yes of course family doesn't talk a lot.

If I got what you're saying in point 2 then I guess I kind of agree. I don't think there's enough data to conclude what you say these articles have concluded. In reality, like with homosexuality, there is probably both spankos who got into it through porn and a predisposition and those who required no porn. In other words there are degrees of predisposition ranging from slight to heavy to the extent that there is no way for the person to not like spanking no matter how much they try to ignore it. 

Given it's a quantitative trait, it is heritable to some degree, and testimonies on here are true I'd place my bets on the above.

 

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I think semantics do matter, to a degree, and understanding semantics can do a lot for understanding the world around us and growing in our view of the various aspects of humanity. Others also mentioned that part of your post, so obviously I'm not the only one who didn't get what you were trying to portray with using that as an example. I never said you were trying to offend anyone, but I apologize that it came across that way.

Even if one is genetically predisposed to cognitive wiring that would increase their likelihood of inherently developing a fetish, I would then wonder if a familial line would inherently develop the same fetish, or if the cognitive wiring can lead to a variety of fetishes. For instance, I have always been interested in spanking, born with this as a part of me. If I am mentally predisposed to developing a fetish through the generations before me, I don't know if that would necessarily mean that all fetishists in previous generations were specifically spanking fetishists. Since a fetish is not passed through a specific gene for a particular fetish, but a cognitive predisposition to fetish in general...whether that means a specific type of fetish or any fetish in existence, I don't know. That could mean that one generation might have masochist, later down the line there is a foot fetishist, and now a spanking fetishist. Or it could mean everyone in a familial line has the same fetish. It would take documenting fetishism through several generations of families to really know how that works. And with adding in other family lines through marriages and kids, that question may be next to impossible to answer.

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I have never been spanked in my life and I'm sure my parents or any other close family member don't have a "spanko" gene. It doesn't have to be genetic. As an individual, we are bound to create completely new likes and dislikes. I feel that everyone has some "fetish"..even vanilla people, knowingly or unknowingly.

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On 4/9/2020 at 11:57 PM, Amethyst_Moon said:

To the other issue at hand, it would be difficult to know to what degree a fetish is genetic, particularly because our sexual behaviors are not often shared with parents, grandparents, grown children, etc. Our parents or grandparents could have this fetish, they may not. But we generally don't discuss it. As far as I've seen through various articles, while certain cognitive wiring that can lead to fetishism can be hereditary, there are no "fetish genes" per se. Basically, the cognitive wiring that might predispose somebody to have an inherent fetish can be passed down, but specific fetishes are not a gene that can be passed down

I think that some people might have a transfer of epigenetic setup of spanking fetish from previous generation/s.

And in others it is something build only in there life's because not even one member of family on mather so as father side never been in to the fetish.

 

 

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The OP seems to struggle understanding what words such as 'fetish' and 'paraphilia' actually mean ...Though one has to suspect he reads the Bible a great deal.

We are all the product of Nature & Nurture.

How an experience effects one person, can be entirely different to another as we all know. Some people get PTSD, yet the person standing  next to them experiencing the self same thing,  doesn't.

Z & I have always been open with our children. We have always empowered them in their lives asap and indeed both effectively left home by age 16 yr old to pursue their own education interests and become independent.  Our daughter was/is aware that her mother, my wife, was/is my submissive (slave actually) ...... Though I have never discussed it with her, I know via my wife that our daughter's wife is her Domme. My wife and daughter have never discussed any detail, that would be weird,  but they know the headlines.  Genetic? Who knows in reality.

But my question would have to be ... What does it actually matter?  We all do what we do; why we do it is really not important at all that I can see.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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One of the most fascinating branches of philosophy to me is semantic positivism.  Philosophers of this school argue that most philosophical arguments are not about actual things, but about the meaning of words.  Arguments about mere semantics, rather than arguments about the real world and real things.  The exact opposite of science and empiricism.  What does a word "really" mean?  Whatever you want it to mean.

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Forgot to comment on the actual topic of the thread.  It seems to me that tastes and preferences, in all walks of life, are a combination of nature and nurture.  In any case, what difference does it make?  For better or worse, we are the result of our genetics and the sum total of our experiences - happenstance, misfortune, and serendipity.

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All I know is that I saw my uncle (my father's brother) being spanked by my sunt once when I was about 8.  I know I was a spanko even before that age.

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I know for a fact one of my parents has the spanking fetish though they don't openly admit it and there are others in the family with the same signs. I don't know a lot of people who admit to it so don't know anyone else to say if that's common or not but that's why I'm here. I hope to finally make friends who will actually admit it. 

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On Thursday, April 09, 2020 at 8:24 PM, ukspanko said:

Being gay is not a fetish.

I agree, being gay is not a fetish. It is perfectly normal. 

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